I got these to upgrade the pads on my new bike that came with Shimano R451 calipers. Very good firm feel at the lever. Much more power, at least in the dry. Like most rim brakes they still aren't great in the wet, but few are. I made the mistake of only ordering one set, which is only one pair, for one end of the bike. Oops, a second set is now on order for the rear wheel!
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